Post by Cure Dolly on Jul 22, 2013 11:08:00 GMT -8
I thought we might want to discuss the Question of the Ball of Neglect here.
I wrote my humble thoughts on the main site and here I think is the nub of the riddle!
Candy’s version of the ball of neglect is a playground with other fairies and limitless supplies of delicious food
It is a little like the drug-induced “reality” of The Lotos Eaters. Even more interestingly, Joker declares that this is the Bad End that he and his cohorts have in mind for the worlds. Now so far we have seen the Bad Enders spread depression and despair. Now they seem to be offering a false bliss: a crystallization of the Pleasure Principle.
But why is it false? Is happiness not happiness? If this is what the Bad Enders are offering, why not take it? Why, as Joker himself argues, opt for a world of struggle and effort when one could have pure, idle pleasure? He says in fact that their plan will succeed because no one will be fool enough to reject what they are offering.
And why, indeed, should they?
What do you all think?
Last Edit: Jul 22, 2013 11:08:52 GMT -8 by Cure Dolly
Post by Cure Yasashiku on Jul 22, 2013 12:35:35 GMT -8
It is really fascinating, isn't it? I remember seeing these episodes, and being so very proud of Candy-chan. I will admit that I had not quite noticed the riddle that you mention regarding the Ball of Neglect. Now that you have so eloquently pointed it out, Dolly-chan, I am finding myself really pondering it.
I was thinking of the usual episodes, where the Bad Enders send everyone into sadness and despair. In a way, the end result of the pure, idle pleasure is exactly the same as the end result of the despair. The people are tempted to stop trying and to stop making an effort. When caught in the Bad Enders spell, people usually start believing that their efforts are worthless, their attempts to be good do not matter.
In a way, that is the same thing that happens in the Ball of Neglect. People stop trying or caring. It seems that it is not the actual emotion that matters really. Idle pleasure *does* the same thing as despair. It seems that it is people stopping their efforts that is what creates bad energy and makes for a Bad End.
Or at least this is my own humble attempt to explain the riddle.
Post by Cure Dolly on Jul 22, 2013 15:59:21 GMT -8
Well interestingly Joker-san made a LONG speech in the next episode, when the girls were in the Ball of Neglect, telling them how pointless it was to ganbaru - to make any effort.
And that was exactly the theme of Wolfrun's first speech when he had made people fall into despair. It was also the theme of Candy's first brave stand against a terrifying enemy when she expounded the creed of ganbari.
So I think that is exactly right about the equivalence of the false despair and the false bliss. Amity and ganbari seem to be the two touchstones against which we can measure and reject falsehood whether the falsehood of despair or that of false bliss.
This is what I want to talk about in the second article, about episode 32.
Last Edit: Jul 22, 2013 15:59:53 GMT -8 by Cure Dolly